Bcnm 40

[Shido]

Hey, guys. I've been wanting to do this for a while now, and I think we should get a group to try it out. Alot of nice stuff drops from these fights and it would be nice if we could pick some of it up. (ex. phalanx, erase, and some nice armor.) I found a site that had some good party info etc, so check it out and msg me if you are interested.

http://www.koolaid-ffxi.org/linkshell/space/BCNM40

[Takk]

I'm up for it. I've been wanting to do it for a while but could never get a group together. Maybe it will drop phalanx! :D

[Shido]

I'm up for it. I've been wanting to do it for a while but could never get a group together. Maybe it will drop phalanx! :D

ohhhh phalanx is sooooooo mine ;)

[Lyramion]

Most JPs visit the Giddeous BCNM 40. I talked with some friends bout it and here is some info I got:

The usual Party:

BRD and BLM combo to Lulaby and Sleepga all minions.

WHM or RDM to imediately silence the main guy and keep him silenced or he will do evil stuff with his magic. He should be attacked and killed first while all BRD and BLM do their best to keep to keep teammates back free.

Then 3 melee. Good choice is PLD to tank and use his 2hour in troubled situations. A RNG that takes of lotsa health of the main mob with his 2 hour


The control Party:

This PT has like 4 BST in it. They take control over the minions and turn them against their friends. Seems a nice tactic but then who has a Level 40 BST?


My whacky idea Party:

A party with 3 SMN using their 2 hours. I do not know how many HP those minions have but if they could take them out by nukim them that way the BCNM would be a walk in the park ^^


You are also adviced to bring Yagudo drinks with you (regen MP faster than juice) and poison status item to keep all awake since the mobs might sleep you like other mandragora type monsters.

[Sarizaddi]

I'd love to attend, also 8)

Being a Ranger, I might fit in pretty well. If someone wants to give me a little time to level, that is. At 35, I may not be near as useful as if I were 40, but when I do level, I have a tendency to level fast.

I can try for level 40 by this weekend, which might not be too hard considering I've finally finished about every single quest I can that I don't have to be more uber to do.

The only thing that might distract me is crafting, but I wanted to hold off crafting just a bit. In other words, unless I come into some money, leveling is all I have planned, so I'll be 40 in no time.

Don't know if anyone is aiming at any one of the treasures in particular, but I'd kinda like to do it just for the experience.

[Lyramion]

Splitting up the lot is another "problem". Of course every WHM wants erase and every RDM his phalanx.... and everyone else, too cause they sell for very high price ^ ^


But since we are no evil little greedy kidys forgetting about friends over money (we arent are we?) should find some solution.


Thought 1:
The one who uses his seals gets to lot 1 item of choice. Rest gets just loted as usual.

Thought 2:
All stuff gets noted and sold - everyone gets same amount of gil (maybe a bonus to the one who spend his seals)

Thought 3:
Items get lot in order one after each other. If someone wins an item he needs to pass for the next ones till every member got one.

[Sarizaddi]

If I'm in, for BCNM 40 there really isn't any treasures that a Ranger would really really want, except maybe if we go to Balgas Dias. The treasures for Balgas Dias are:

●Enhancing Earring Lvl.40 WHM/BLM/RDM/BRD/RNG/NIN/SMN HP+5 MP+5
●Guarding Gorget Lvl.39 Def:4 WAR/PLD/DRK/BST/DRG
VIT+1 AGI-1 Evasion-5 Converts 15 MP to HP
●Survival Belt Lvl.38 Def:3 MNK/WHM/RDM/THF/BST/BRD/RNG/SAM/NIN
HP+17 Evasion+5
●Balance Buckler Lvl.40 Def:9 WAR/RDM/PLD/BST/SAM Accuracy+3
●Ice Spikes Lvl.20 BLM
Lvl.40 RDM
●Absorb-STR Lvl.43 DRK
●Erase Lvl.32 WHM
●Utsusemi: Ni Lvl.37 NIN
●Fire Spirit Lvl.1 SMN
●Phalanx Lvl.33 RDM
●Refresh Lvl.41 RDM
Various kinds Jewel/Ore/Material/Medicine/Gil

That fight also has the Phalanx possibility everyone wants to fight for and Erase. Worse comes to worse I might ask for a Fire Spirit is the belt doesn't drop, but I wouldn't have a need for anything else as far as special treasures go. As for the gems and stuffs, I'd like to get a painite, but if one doesn't drop or there's nothing else, I don't plan on lotting anything.

It would prolly work best if everyone that wanted to go pick one thing off the list they really really wanted, and a back-up. Have some idea where the treasure would go before you enter, so in the case that someone really really wanted something, like Phalanx, then they wouldn't get cheated on a lot by someone else that just wanted it to sell.

So in my place, I primarily would want a Survival Belt, if not then Fire Spirit, if not then I lot nothing until everyone else's wishes are met. From side loot I would want a painite, if not then I would lot nothing until everyone's wishes were met.

FYI, I also dun mind paying the seals.

[Vade]

I'll be the Paladin for it. :D I just need to buy another sword to use for gear...and I'll be set. I just need money, because I've been doing the gobbie bag quests. I've done two so far. :D Nearly 100K. But it'll pay off in the long run. Plus, we can do BCNM40 over and over with as long as the party wants to stay together. I have about 150 beastman seals I can use. :D

[Shido]

I think casting lots on things that you character can actually use is what should be done. Ex. a paladin does not need phalanx, and a redmage does not need erase. Now if we do the fight and the whm and rdm have their spells, then by all means anyone can cast lots on phalanx and erase. The only thing I want out of the fight is phalanx, I couldnt care less about anythign else, but mabye that ice spikes scroll, but I know where those drop.
So basiclly what I'm saying is that the first time through everyone lots on what they need, then after that, its fair game. And I was thinking about doing this friday or saturday night. I dont know what my plans are those days just yet. Oh and I know there is more than one rdm in the LS that wants phalanx, so another way of doing it is, switching ppl w/ the same job after the fights. Ex. I'll go first fight as RDM, then Leta can take my place second fight, etc. But phalanx doest drop every fight, so we'd probably have to switch once the person that needs the spell gets it.

[Bakslash]

Here's another guide listing the mobs and drobs at each BCNM.

http://ffvault.ign.com/?dir=guides&content=bcnm

[Takk]

Hmmm, Shido I agree with you. I think everyone should only lot on the spells/items they can actually use. Then once it's not needed anymore everyone is free to lot on it. Just my two cents. :rolleyes:

[Vanstrider]

You'll never get any help that way shido. Considering i'm a bard and can't really use anything, i see no profit in it and a nice chance to eat it.
Anyways, if you guys decide to wait for a week or so for me to get 40 equip, i'll be your bard if you decide that the person who uses the orb gets the loot. This is the usual way and bcnm40 is generally done 6 times in a row(one for each pt member) so relying on 2 hours isn't a great idea.

Anyways... I have monster signa... and am uber bard... (^^)b!

[Vade]

I like the fighting it 6 times idea.

[Lyramion]

Of course its cool without 2hrs but I dont intend to waste someones 40 seals by going in more riska than is needed ^^


6 times seems nice but curious if we can pass it even once :p

[Ranvarin]

Hit 40 last night,I can tank for it if need be. In regards to loot,anyone who has played EQ knows how it is usually distributed.Best way for now is NBG(need before greed) system. Those that can use it,lot for it. Come across something no one can use we can all lot for it. Maybe if we start raiding all the time a points system might be nice,but that'll be a long ways away ;)

[Juell]

Eh, I think that if you spend your seals you should get the loot. All of it. We'll fight it enough times so everyone gets their share, but It seems too hard to distribute the treasure from one fight equally.

[Bakslash]

Keep in mind that you might not necessarily get anything when you go in. If it's always a 100% success then everyone would just do BCNM, but there's going to be a mix of success and failures. The first time a team goes in probably has the highest chance of failure as people get adjusted to each other's playing style. The first person who used his orb might come away with nothing and he'll have to do it 5 more times knowing that he'll come away with nothing.

Try to give everyone an incentive to do the BCNM.

[Ranvarin]

It's not right for someone in the same guild to walk away with loot to sell that a guildmate could use .Could debate this topic all day though.So long as everyone uses their seals then it balances out.But like I said,we could debate it all day.Everyone plays a key role,so why shouldn't everyone get loot? but then why should someone get loot that someone else can use? It'll come down to what everyone wants to do.Personally,I prefer NBG

[Vade]

You don't lose your orb if you die though.

[Juell]

If things went smoothly, the party of six would attempt the fight 6 times and whoever spent their seals would get all the treasure for their given time. It's true that these aren't easy, but if it's also true that you keep your orb if you die then I don't see the problem in doing it this way so long as your party puts in full effort for each attempt. I don't know enough about this to really comment. I just can't see how things could be divided equally among each party member if only one attempt was made. Seals are hard to come by, and if you're going to spend them it might as well be a good investment.

[Ranvarin]

True.I'm thinking of it more as a shell wide event then just a single group.Since it's just one group,I doubt everything dropped will be needed by someone.If someone needs one thing let them have it and that puts them out for the rest of the loot.

[Bakslash]

Orbs can only be used one time. It will still be in your possession after it's used, but it will no longer activate the teleport to the BCNM.

[Saige]

Soon as i catch up with Brd, ill be more then happy to do some BCNM40's. As it stands ive only done once, and while i died 4 times during it ^^ i had a blast and want to actually do a few more (and win) so i can make some money ^^ as well as get loot for everyone. As it stands im only 16brd atm, but i dont think thats to bad for starting 2 days ago ^^.

[Bloodscream]

only thing that intrests me is utsusmi: ni. i think for the most part, we should just sell everything and split the gil.

[Lyramion]

Seeing how Mel and crew failed BCNM really is no walk in the park. They failed 6 out of 6 times... the last time reaching the time limit. BCNM more is like an "Omega Weapon" out of other Final Fantasy and you WILL need to use your 2hr at a high percentage!

People doing it 6 times usually do it on weekends and always wait 2 hours between attempts

[FallenSeraph]

Man..... I would love to do a BCNM40, but.... Thieves are not very needed in BCNM's.

[Sarizaddi]

Never underestimate any job for the BCNM. Everyone says that there's no way to beat a BCNM w/o a bard and a black mage. I don't believe that's necessarily any more true than a party couldn't survive without a white mage. But what I do believe is that anyone and everyone can do a BCNM, and each and every playstyle can make that fight run differently. Thieves are just as accepted as anyone else, the bigger question is how well can you play your job.

[Vanstrider]

[QUOTE=Sarizaddi]Never underestimate any job for the BCNM. Everyone says that there's no way to beat a BCNM w/o a bard and a black mage. QUOTE]
I'm just going to wait for you to try it. After you try it, post here, and tell me if you think bard is required^^ (I wouldn't say blm is required at all, but bard is a must).
This is for BCNM40 Giddeus at least. The others might be easier without a bard, i wouldn't know, haven't tried them.

[Ranvarin]

I agree with you Sari.Every class if played right has a use,but some are better suited I guess.The most interesting PT I've heard of from someone is pld rngx3 brd and blm.If done right it would be ideal.

[Juell]

I was talking to a friend of mine who has done the BCNM 40 quite a few times successfully who said they used WHM, WHM, PLD, BRD, Damage dealer, Damage dealer typically when they went in. I believe her too, because she has erase. Anyway.. I'll post any information I can get from others on here if I think it's legitamate.

[Melmeow]

Even having BRD and BLM, doesnt mean it works. Monsters can resist spells and ending up using MP to heal not just the PLD but BRD and BLM trying to sleep them. Of course sleep has its recast timer. It doesnt mean you can just go in there with any class and play your best. Even if you play your job to the fullest, how can you make sure you protect your PT member and yourself. BCNM isn't for you to say yea doesn't matter what class goes in there as long as you play your best. That 6+ times Bak, Ket, Paeng, Vile and I did that night, I don't remember anybody making any mistakes doing there job, of course there were times when some spells needed to be cast at the right time but there's so many things to look out for, your hp, pt hp, sc, healing, and monsters casting. You would think oh after the first time we know what to do. Every fight is different in fighting and outcome, we found out that time is crucial part in doing BCNM, 30mins can be longest fight for you or the shortest. If I have to do a review on what we did wrong and what would we do differently, I'm not sure how I would write it. I would say right combination of classes(would help), lots of healing items and knowing your strategy. If you're thinking you wont need 2 hours, you're wrong. It's a must, unless youre a BST or something. :D

[Sarizaddi]

I wasn't saying class doesn't matter, only that no class should be excluded from BCNM. I've seen awesome damage coming from a THF or a DRG, some spells from RDM or abilities from a summoner would help immensely. I just don't think anyone should think that they're excluded from BCNM because of their job. Point taken, it takes thought and time to set up for the BCNM, I just didn't want an elitist attitude to set in.

On a lighter note, Level 40 Ranger. Making money for a new bow. Ready to go kill the mandrake now.

[Bakslash]

I've noticed that people have begun talking about BCNM once again in LS chat, so I figure that I'd bump up this thread.

[Daevik]

Considering a majority of my gear is still 36-40, I'm ready for a BCNM40 if you ever need me. Monk style, that is.

[Vanstrider]

Having tried BCNM40 (and failed) and winning BCNM60s, i've come to the conclusion that the key to success is a LOT of planning. BCNM40 a BRD is really required. This is because their sleep is resisted a lot less(maybe 1-2 resists per fight in BCNM40 with good gear). I don't believe 2 hours are required for it. BCNM60 in Fei'yin i'm almost certain is tougher than BCNM40. The leader of the group we did this with spent 2 days planning the strategy for it, and it really paid off. There are 4 gigas, and they cannot be slept. Our strategy required 2 rdms, 2 tanks, others were optional. One tank would take on one gigas, while the other tank Gravity Marathoned the others (Rdms constantly casting gravity on them, other tank would run in circles) The order of the mobs we killed was well planned, we killed the RNG first being the most deadly. Last we kill the BST since it charms a party members before it dies. ( I got to lullaby my JP friend, it was fun.). First few times were close calls, and kind of rough. But after everyone got used to the strategy, it was pretty easy.
I've seen a few videos of successful bcnm40s without 2 hours in them, so i know it's possible. Just have to get the perfect jobs/perfect strategy for it.

[Juell]

Could you post a link to the videos or tell me where I can find them? I would like to see it in action if I could.

[Kyae]

im game if anyone needs me, ill be 40 withing the next 24 hours

[Takk]

I'm good to go as well, just let me know when we plan to do it so I can buy some gear. I already have an orb, too.

[Leta]

Sorry I've been gone the last couple of weeks, but RL work took me out of the country. i would love to be able to get in on bcnm40. of course my two higher lvl jobs arent the best for this fight from what i can tell. rdm and blm...and my blm still needs a couple days to get to 40.
AGH, i cant wait to play again. ill probably forget most of the shortcuts on the keyboard all over again. Its friday afternoon in argentina right now, and i get on a bus tomorrow morning at 5am ; ;. ill be back in the states sunday morning, and ready to play in the afternoon...back in the comfort of my own apt. btw, if anyone wants to send me an aim message to help me curb the boredom of my last day here, my SN is jason2444 =) hope to see you guys soon!

(btw, advent children trailer rocks...finallly saw it, lol)

[Bergkatze]

My friends and I tried BCNM40 at giddeus for almost 10 times, and failed only once.
We didn't use any 2hours.

Let me explain our strategy against Mandys.

members-used potions:

PLD/WAR-yagudo's drink*6
DRK/WAR(WHM)-(yagudo's drink*6)
RNG/NIN-none
BRD/WHM-Hi portion*9,yagudo's drink*6
BLM/WHM-yagudo's drink*6. poison potion*10
RDM/BLM-yagudo's drink*6, poison potion*10 <=me

role of members
PLD-sub tank. must hold boss. interrupt flood by bashing.
DRK-attacker. interrupt flood by bashing.
RNG-attacker. shoot and kill boss rapidly!
BRD-main tank. keep minions asleep.cast curega to awake melee jobs.
BLM-main healer. help to sleep. help to awake. help to be silent.
RDM-silencer. keep silent the boss. help to cure BRD.

process for windom
1.prepare potions and equips
2.gather at BC
3.eat foods (kababo for attackers,boiled crabs for tanks, pies)
4.cast protect(RDM) and shell(PLD)
5.deal reflesh and heal MP
6.PLD does defender (if he is Lv50+)
7.jump into BC
8.drink poison potion -BLM,RDM
9.drink yagudo's drink
10.make sure all members target the boss
11.gather all members
12.seal of spirits (RDM)
13.voke the boss (PLD)
14.cast silence on boss (RDM)
15.sing lullaby after all minions gather to you (BRD)
16.cure PLD and BRD and sleep minions if some resist lullaby
17.repeat 13-16 untill death of target
18.PLD select next target and voke
19.repeat 13-18
20.you win!

keep poisoned
keep silence
keep asleep (songs are never interrupted!)

these are points. good luck and have fun if you have some plan to kill mandys on BC.

[Shido]

I wanna do it again now. ;_; thnx for the info. ^^

[Takk]

I'm still waiting to do this....anyone interested in setting a date?

[Bakslash]

Seems like we're kinda stuck because of the lack of bards in the LS. Unfortunately, a tank and bard seems to be key elements for a successfull run at BCNM 40.

There is definitely enough interests in doing this and I would certainly like to try it again also.

Looking back at when Paeng, Mel, Vilebird, Ket and I tried it, I think there were two things that kept us from winning the BCNM. In a couple of fights, we failed to interrupt ancient magic and once the tank went down we all went down. The other is how we failed to defeat the main mob fast enough due to accuracy issues.

This time around, I can offer my WAR to be tank or as an alternative dmg dealer.

[Eilyndel]

my paladin and dragoon are both at service, whichever is needed. I would also like to do some bcnms, sounds like a good time.

[Gimlas]

:slidinggl I have wanted to do BCNM 40 since I heard about it. I have my WHM that has Current gear and spells for the mission. I am only intrested in of course Erase for loot which means everything else is you alls if I were to receive erase. I would love to help everyone get the treasure they desire the most!!!

[Bergkatze]

We can get Erace, if we win New BCNM 30 and are lucky enough.
BCNM 30 is for 3men PT, so easier to try.

place： giddeus
time limit： 15min
mob： Bitoso（crawler）*1　HP1000～1500　MP1000 or less
number of PT： 3ppl
special attack： paralizega、CUREIII、cocoon、poison breath
booty(?):Req.Lv30 passive earrings,ERACE,dispel,silk thread,
Bast Parchment、1000gils
tips:sleep works. silence never works.

place：yughott grotto
time limit：15min
mobs：Bisan（beetle）*1、Pilwiz（beetle）*1
number of PT：3ppl
special attack：Pilwiz--stonega2 Bisan--power attack
booty:Req.Lv30 passive belts,Req.Lv30 passive earrings,
dispel, ERACE, 1000gils
tips:sleep Pilwiz with seal. kill Bisan 1st. power attack deals big damage.

[Takk]

Thank you, Bergkatze. I didn't know that BCNM 30 also drops erase. This may be something worth looking into since no brd is required.

[Gimlas]

thank you also!!!, any recomendations on a party (jobs)? :slidinggl

[Bergkatze]

Aspir is important in giddeus.
BLM*2, DRK with aspir work enough.
Drain all MP of mobs, and it will never cast cure3 on itself.

Sleep and big damage are needed in yughott.
BLM, RNG/MNK*2 will work enough.
RDM is ok as sleeper, but RDM cannot use aspir at Lv30.

Recommended potion for these BCs are:
Persikos au lait : regen HP for 4HP/3sec 10min(800HP)
Yagudo's drink : regen MP for 2MP/3sec 3min(120MP)
Both of them are sold on AH, 1000~1700 gils each.

Persikos au lait is a recipi for high-level cook.
Itll bring skill up to 91.
Minimum 81 with guild support is needed to make.