Haste Gear question

[Nibu]

Ok, here's the deal.

I don't get the big fuss over haste gear. I'm wondering if/why I should replace some of my accuracy gear in my TP build (Thief) for something else like the Turban or the Harness or whatever. It would seem that Haste would probably end up giving someone the same amount of TP for the ACC gear in the same slot.

For instance, with a big Haste set up, you may miss twice as much as you would with all ACC gear, but as you are going 2x as fast, you'll be equivalent to an all ACC setup. Conversely, you'll be going slower, but be hitting more consistently. I know haste also affects JA, but I'm assuming that haste doesn't QUITE make up for the TP gain you would get from ACC, and that this would be its other upside.

I could see using Haste gear in combination with ACC gear, so you don't hit the cap on either, but besides this, I don't see the major advantage to dedicating oneself to one or the other.

I guess what I'm getting at is, would it be worth it for me to start using the Turban (5% haste) instead of optical hat, and a Rapparee (sp) Harness (4% haste) instead of a +10acc piece. Guess I could also include the swiftbelt, which would be another 4%. I mention these specifically, b/c they are the only one's I would be able to afford...

I suppose I could run a parser to figure out the best acc/dmg/etc., but when I start seeing the actual numbers and DoT, I'm bound to become obsessed with maxing it all out. So if anyone has some good info. on this, please share. Thanks.

[Sumin]

It honestly depends. Like in my case on my WAR...i dont really focus on ACC at lvl 75. I have merits into my Axe, and use sushi...so most my gear is attack based with haste stuff.

What job are you looking for?

[Lyramion]

The magic things are sushi, weaponskill merits and hunting VTs. Even two of those things can push your ACC up fast to dimishing returns if your have nice gear. Thats where only Haste will push your damage up further.

As NIN with sushi and WS merits I can still push around 90% ACC in full Haste gear. Thats like 5% of the acc cap I am missing while gaining 20% Haste to compensate.

[Laitha]

You could post on alla or KI and see what they think. It mainly would deal with what you want to do with your THF like what role do you want to fill.

I think you would want haste gear where acc wasn't much of an issue in like merit parties and such.

acc gear would be for higher lvl mobs like NMs or endgame stuff like dynamis depending on how much you miss/hit.

food would probelly also be a factor to determine if you want haste or acc.

I dont deal much with haste gear since it doesn't effect rng atk speed

[Finalwolf]

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I know haste also affects JA,


this is false. haste magic and haste gear does not make your job ability timers lower.
Haste will reduce magic/ninjutsu recast timer and lower delay in weapon


random info.
with my haste gear on whm (29%), my haste recast timer is 12sec
with haste casted on myself, my haste recast timer is 9-10seconds

with that much haste, my devotion, benediction, divine seal and any job abilities giving from my sub, those timers will not be reduced

[Sumin]

this is false. haste magic and haste gear does not make your job ability timers lower.
Haste will reduce magic/ninjutsu recast timer and lower delay in weapon

lol god if that was the case i would totally be all over that for my 2hour :P

[Lyramion]

with my haste gear on whm (29%)


Cap from Gear Haste is 25% ! I know from endless Ninjar discussion!

[Xyndifor]

Haste is certainly good for the solo thf ;p Utsu recast (not that u need it on easier stuff) but on bigger stuff it would do well for u.

[Aihree]

My suggestion would be to run a parser while you xp to verify your acc%. If it's over 85 or 90%, you have some room to swap out acc for haste gear instead.

Food and the type of mob are going to make a difference too.

[Lambtor]

Where's Seankp on this topic?

It seems that when he's not soloing he's wearing homam body (for the triple atk+ i assume), and the turban. I know thf aren't really going to WS more than every 30 sec max (or 1 min if they refuse to WS w/o SA). No other DDs in game are going to WS more than every 30 sec either unless a kraken, soboro, or ridill are involved. Most other DD aren't waiting on any SA or TA timers, so idk how the TP over 100% helps THF out. since other DD aren't using SA or TA w/ WS in merit parties, they lean to sushi and stack on haste+. maybe the haste+ allows you to do more DoT by using a slower weapon that might have higher base dmg?

If you go to KI or alla and look at the THF forums, be real critical of what you see suggested. The PLD forum on alla seems like a good amt of people know what's goin on, but the RNG forum there is not exactly a legendary gathering of minds.

[Bane]

biggest question is if you have any dagger merits.

if you dont have any merits haste set up isnt gonna do a whole lot. just have you go whiff whiff whiff faster. even 4 dagger merrits will allow you to use a decent haste build. max merits on dagger still wont allow you to avoid sushi tho, damn A- skills><. outside of homan gear, your options in gear depend on the size of your pockets and play style. my haste build includes W.Turban, Rap.Harness, SwiftBelt, and on occasion DuskGloves.

like i said depending on your gear you have available, all these slots are gonna be contested. if no merits or even on IT++ mobs, turban can go out for OHat(the only case outside of Ranged setup i use OHat on). same goes for the body, its rapharness or ScorpHarness, depending on what im doing. being that i use RapHarness so much i stick with war gloves cause i need that acc. i alwasys use swift belt outside of WS. i dont have deep pockets for dusk set, but homam is better than dusk legs n feet as is, if you ar lucky enough to get those. also i have no dagger merits but did at one time. also much depends upon what daggers you use. slower daggers haste is better, faster daggers can let you cheat a lil on haste gear.

If your thf main, and wanting THF AF2 hands(who dont other than me lol j/k j/k) head body waist legs and feet are options for haste. there are some earrings for haste too dependant on sub job iirc, but im not a fan of those, not with A- skill and the better options out there.

id say merit dagger, and parse your acc along the way. when you get to a good point 90% or so and not capped merits, id start trading in these spots for acc to haste gear.

these are of course my poor attempt at being a thf gears, and it always works for me except when the ls makes me get kill shot on JoL, which alone takes as much as the first 99% >< damn Heca set ;;

if ya got any questions i stop by thes forums on occasion, feel free to ask away, but im sure there are more knowledgeable hardcore thfs than i.